Bargaining With the
James Bible mentions the word, "Orion" three times but never in
connection with a gate. Jim Pappas chose to name his business
New Age writer Barry Martin
reveals the meaning of the gateway in Orion:
"It is through the
gateway in Orion that we receive the higher light...we
will understand why the ancient Egyptian texts refer to
Ihm-'sk and why the Great Pyramid was aligned with Mintaka
(delta), Alnilam (epsilon), and Alnitak (zeta) in Tak-Orion
(Orionis). These are the central threshold controls for the
region of 'positive programming' used by the Elohim Lords of
Light to connect the many galaxies to our Father Universe.
Within our galactic quadrant, these threshold controls are
necessary in coordinating celestial navigation between
universes. Through the energies of Orion, the Central
Threshold Control, the higher beings of Light moved across
the waters of the deep."
(1) (bold emphasis added)
The passage cited for the
purpose of critique begins with Greatheart and his band of
pilgrims reaching the narrow passage (a very narrow part of the
which is defended by Giant Grim and the
two great lions. This part of the way is located just before the House Beautiful. Giant
Grim (Satan's demon) ordered the pilgrims to stop and go no farther.
Jim Pappas had Christiana bargain with Giant Grim in an attempt
to avoid battle! Ho
The following is a transcription from
CHRISTIANA: THE PILGRIM'S PROGRESS PART II, tape 2, side B adapted and produced by
Jim Pappas of Orion's Gate, copyright 1998.
(Our comments are indented.)
w many Christians have
bargained with the devil and forfeited their souls in the process?
Satan promises them sinful pleasures while assuring them
(through his false ministers) that they will nevertheless
inherit the kingdom of God.
God commands his people to resist the devil, not
bargain with him.
Background information on the characters:
Greatheart is the pilgrim's conductor, or leader to the Celestial City
Christiana is Christian's wife, who is following in her husband's
footsteps to Celestial City.
Giant Grim: One of Satan's giants (devils or
Most of this portion of Jim Pappas' adaptation of John
Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress Part 2: Christiana is not in the original Pilgrim's
Progress. The false teachings about Satan and how to deal with
him are not in John Bunyan's original book either. Jim Pappas inserted these
unbiblical and spiritually dangerous values and ideas about Satan in his Amplified
New Age music is played throughout Jim Pappas' Amplified
1. Giant Grim: "Hey!"
2. Greatheart: "Greetings, Mr. Bloody Man."
3. Giant Grim: "Grim to you, ugly knave!"
4. Greatheart: "Then greetings, Mr. Grim."
5. Grim: "Art thou not that one called,
6. Greatheart: "Aye?
7. Grim: "Why art thou come hither?"
8. Greatheart: "These women and children are going on pilgrimage."
9. Grim: "This is not the way."
is a subtle alteration to the original
Pilgrim's Progress because
in this version the demon is saying this is not the way (to eternal life) but in
the original story, Grim said, "This is not their way. They
will not go this way. I am here to prevent it. To that end I will
back the lions." The original Pilgrim's Progress portrayed Grim
acknowledging that this was the
correct way, but that he was there to prevent them from going that way. The
reader needs to know that Satan does understand the narrow way, and what it means
to the Christian. He will use his false teachers to cleverly teach the narrow way is
not really the way!
In the Amplified Version, Grim told
Greatheart the straight and narrow way was not the way. He lied to
them to try to get them to get off the narrow way and onto the broad road that
leads to destruction.
10. Greatheart: "Ah, but is is! And they shall go through."
11. Grim: "They won't if I can help it."
Satan's demons will do whatever they can to prevent a Christian from
staying on the narrow road that leads to life.
12. Greatheart: "But they will if I can! Stand back!"
13. Grim: "Thou art but one man."
14. Greatheart: "Aye, but I come to thee in the name of the Lord!
And bearing the sword of the Spirit. Therefore, give back peaceably, or
expect that thy bones shall bleach atop those whom you have slain."
Warning: This is a
give-place-to-the-devil example of how to deal with
must never give Satan
any slack or chances; you must always immediately submit to God and resist the
devil. (In the original Pilgrim's Progress, Greatheart began
to combat Grim immediately without offering him the chance to retreat.)
15. Grim: "Pah, you forget about my kittens! Would you have these
sweet women to become food for them?"
16. Greatheart: These cats have neither tooth nor claw."
17. Grim: "Huh? And who told thee that?"
18. Greatheart: "'Tis common knowledge among pilgrims.
known that they are chained, and that any who travel in the middle of the road
may pass safely by."
19. Grim: "Pah, lies! Woman, seest thou chains upon my
In the original Pilgrim's Progress,
Grim never spoke directly to Christiana. In conformity to scripture's
teaching of the man having spiritual headship, Grim spoke directly only to Greatheart, the
spiritual leader of the group. In Jim Pappas' Amplified Version,
Christiana and Grim are did most of the talking, and Greatheart allowed Christiana
to negotiate with Grim. (Scripture teaches against negotiating or
bargaining with the devil
or his demons.) The example of the woman taking the spiritual leadership
and the man allowing it, is a spiritually destructive one for the church.
Christiana was not Greatheart's wife, but in the story he was the spiritual
conductor and leader of the group, and thus would have been biblically the
spiritual leader of the entire group, including her.
The original Pilgrim's Progress portrayed Christiana
speaking only one sentence to Grim,
and he did not even reply to her directly. He spoke directly to Greatheart
(the male spiritual leader) only, and to the group at large.
20. Christiana: "No, not from here. But we have God's Word."
21. Grim: "But with thine eyes; with thine eyes, woman! Seest thou
23. Christiana: "No, only through the eye of faith."
24. Grim: "Faith hath no eyes. Go back."
25. Christiana: "It hath eyes clear enough to see through thee.
Kindly step aside and let us pass."
It is wrong and unbiblical for
Jim Pappas to portray a Christian asking the demon to
step aside. She must command him in the name of Jesus to
"get thee behind me, Satan!" (Greatheart should
have done this.)
26. Grim: "This is not the way."
Satan consistently works to persuade the Christian to think the narrow way is not the
only way to
life. He wants the Christian to think the narrow road is not
really the way because it is a holy, consecrated way, totally unrelated to the
broad way that leads to destruction. Satan hopes the Christian will fall for the lie that
the narrow way
is idea, but optional. The broad way, or a detour will also work.
27. Christiana: "I think it is."
Remember that none of this dialogue between
Christiana and this powerful demon occurred in John Bunyan's true-to-scriptural-principles Pilgrim's Progress. No Christian need ever
wonder or think the way they are traveling is the narrow way. The
Christian has the Holy Bible, and thus will have a lamp unto his feet and a
light unto his path.
28. Grim: "Nay, thou must go round about by yonder detour."
The listener is presented with the lie that there is a
detour off the narrow way that leads to life! Sure, Grim said this, but
that should be expected from a demon, right?
29. Greatheart: "What think you, madam? Would you have me take you
by the detour?"
This Christian man, a spiritual leader and
hero in the
Christ-exalting real Pilgrim's Progress (but not the spiritual leader in Jim Pappas'
Version!) is actually heeding the demon's suggestion and offering himself in service to take another Christian off the
narrow way that leads to life! This is an evil example that if heeded has
grave repercussions: "And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones
that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his
neck, and he were cast into the sea." Mark 9:42
Greatheart was the spiritual leader of
the group and should have been depicted as making this important decision on his
own, rather than being willing to knowingly take the group out of the right way
of the Lord if the woman so chose. (Why did Jim Pappas have Greatheart act like
Adam in the Garden of Eden? That was when the fall of mankind
occurred. Pappas is promoting the fall of the Christian by
depicting a godly Christian man entertaining such compromise!)
30. Matthew: "It looketh to be a well-traveled way, Mum."
31. Christiana: "But, will it take us to the Celestial City?"
Christiana asked Greatheart if this detour would indeed
take them to the Celestial City.
32. Greatheart: "Some, well, I think some, have managed to get back onto
the straight path."
Greatheart did not
directly answer Christiana's question (this should have been done for the
listener's sake) but merely told her some have managed to get back onto the
straight path. His words indicated that a Christian may choose to turn
back and sow to the flesh, and
still have a chance of getting back onto the narrow way that leads to life. This is
a message of trifling with the Holy Spirit and sinning willfully after coming
to the knowledge of the truth.
33. Christiana: "You think?"
34. Greatheart: "Yes, ma'am."
35. Christiana: "And are there no dangers to be met on yonder
36. Greatheart: "There are."
was shown to have known the truth, but to have been willing to go the wrong way
if his woman companion (that he was supposed to be leading) chose it! This is exactly what Adam did in the
Garden of Eden. He was not deceived; it was Eve who was beguiled by the
serpent! Greatheart was willing to hold
the truth in unrighteousness and lead his charges off the narrow way if that is
what they wanted!
37. Christiana: "And might not the detours also have detours?"
38. Greatheart: "They may."
39. Christiana: "And does our map show the way through detours?"
40. Greatheart: "Nay, only the straight way."
The Bible declares that the straight and narrow way
life. There is no other way.
41. Christiana: "Then what you are really saying is that if we be true
pilgrims we must do no detouring at all, but rather go straight through."
42. Greatheart: "The Lord would be pleased."
Greatheart is telling Christiana that the Lord would be pleased if they do
not detour and remain on the narrow way, but he failed to tell her the Lord requires
the true Christian to stay on the narrow way. Detouring is
another word for sinning willfully after having come to the knowledge of the
truth. The Bible says that this will result in there being no more sacrifice for
sins. (Heb. 10:26) Greatheart did not warn that detouring is sowing to the
flesh and that those who do so will reap corruption, not life everlasting. (Gal. 6:8)
43. Christiana: "Then straight we shall go. Aside,
Again we see the unbiblical
example of Christiana leading
the way with Greatheart trailing behind under her leadership.
44. Grim: "This is not the way. See how this path is all overgrown
with grass? There hath not an enlightened pilgrim passed this narrow place
45. Christiana: "And should the detours of others be reason for us
the same? Should we not rather go straight on as our map and guide tell
46. Grim: "You will die!"
47. Christiana: "Better to die in the right way than to wander
forever in a maze of detours."
48. Grim: "You will give thy children to the death. That little
one, him will I roast alive over a slow fire, and feed him to MY children."
49. Christiana: "This is the way."
50. Grim: "You shall not step in it."
51. Narrator: "With that the giant picked up his great club and straddled
over the way. Behind him were the two lions on either side of the way, so
that it seemed (to the eye of flesh) that even if one were to survive the club,
he would die by tooth and claw.
52. Christiana: "I feel the inspiration of the Almighty in my
heart. I am arisen a mother in Israel and I shall not be turned
53. Greatheart: "Madame?"
54. Christiana: "Canst thou take him?"
55. Greatheart: "All things are possible to she that believeth."
Warning: The producer, Jim Pappas, made Greatheart's spiritual success entirely dependent
upon Christiana's faith! This is a perversion of scripture by making woman the
spiritual head of
man. (See 1 Cor. 11:3) This is such a dangerous reinforcement to the
church (which is already out of proper spiritual order) to have Christiana in
the position as Greatheart's
spiritual leader. Women, as valuable to the kingdom of God as they
are, are not equipped by God to be the first one under the Lord Jesus Christ in
resisting and wrestling with Satan. The man is equipped by God to be right under the Lord
Jesus Christ protecting and leading (being the head of) the woman, not vice
56. Christiana: "Explain thyself. Canst thou take him?"
57. Greatheart: "If thou canst believe, I could hew down yonder
58. Christiana: "Then I choose to believe. Lord, help thou
mine unbelief. Forward?"
59. Greatheart: "Aye, forward!"
60. Christiana: "What shall I do?"
61. Greatheart: "Raise thy hands to heaven and beseech God on my
Throughout the entire Amplified
Version, Jim Pappas depicted Greatheart with no ability to stand against
Satan unless Christiana held her hands up in the air and prayed. This made
his spiritual success dependent upon Christiana's faith, not his own. This
is another example of placing the woman in spiritual headship over the man, by
making his spiritual success conditional upon her faith,
62. Grim: "No!"
63. Greatheart: "I come to thee, Bloody Man! God hath found in this
frail woman enough faith to consume thee and a thousand greater than thou."
The original Pilgrim's
Progress by John Bunyan depicted
as a man with strong
Christian faith. He was the pilgrim conductor who had already made the
trip to the Celestial City many times. He was not dependent upon the
spiritual strength of Christiana. She leaned upon and followed him, not vice versa.
Why has Jim Pappas deliberately perverted the biblical roles of men and women?
64. Christiana: "Oh, God! Help him!"
65. Grim: "Wait, wait, wait. What be thy name, woman?"
66. Christiana: "My name be Christiana."
67. Grim: "Art thou wife to one called Christian? Who passed this
way in early times?"
68. Christiana: "I am."
69. Grim: "Ah, now I see from whence thou hast such pluck and
courage. Thou hast done well to stand thy ground."
foolish banter with Grim (while Greatheart remained in the background) is not
the way the Bible teaches to stand against Satan! Her discourse with Grim
is an example of how to be overcome by Satan. She was willing to give Grim
which is giving place to the devil. This wicked example is against the Holy Word of
God. See Ephesians 4:27 and 1
(The lions begin to roar loudly.)
70. Grim: "Shut up! Foul kittens have no manners. Now, seeing
that thou art so brave, I have decided to let thee pass through, unharmed."
71. Christiana: "And why this change of heart?"
72. Grim: "'Tis no change. I am only set here by thy Master to test
73. Greatheart (whispering to Christiana): "'Tis a lie."
74. Christiana: "Hmmm."
75. Grim: "Besides, I admire courage where I find it. Even in an
enemy. Please, pass on."
Satan does not admire
courage or any other quality in any Christian. He has nothing but
murderous contempt for the Christian's soul which he will stop at nothing to
ensnare. See more about courage in line #99.
76. Christiana: "Greatheart, what be the trick?"
77. Greatheart: "He doth see thee to be invincible. Therefore, he
bargains for his life."
78. Christiana: "But what be the price of his compromise?"
79. Greatheart: "Greater than thou canst pay, I
80. Christiana: "But what?"
81. Greatheart: "Ask him."
82. Christiana: "Mr. Bloody Man."
83. Grim: "Grim, ma'am. Heh, heh. My name be GRIM."
84. Christiana: "What be thy true name?"
85. Grim: "Grim, ma'am."
86. Christiana: "Thou liest to me. Mr.
87. Grim: "Nay, wait! My name be Bloody Man, although I prefer to
be called Mr. Grim."
88. Christiana: "Speak truth, Mr. Bloody Man. Is this overgrown
path indeed the Way?
89. Grim: "Aye, ma'am.
90. Christiana: "And the lions. Are they truly chained and without
tooth or claw?
91. Grim: (hesitating) "Uhhhhhh."
92. Christiana: "ARE they?"
93. Grim: "Aye, ma'am."
94. Christiana: "Hath not thy master set thee here to prevent us from
95. Grim: "Aye, ma'am."
96. Christiana: "Then why wilt thou let us pass?"
97. Grim: "I told thee. I admire courage."
98. Christiana: "Or perhaps thou dost fear the faith of one who takes God
at his word and then depends upon that word to do what it says it will do."
Remember that Christiana and Greatheart did not really take God at his word in
this Amplified Version.
99. Grim: "No, no, no, no. 'Tis courage I admire.
Satan's demons do not admire or
think well of any Christian for any reason. They hate Christians with the
same passion they hate the Lord Jesus Christ. They fear consecrated,
sold-out-to-God, self-denying, prayerful Christians who knows how to wield the
sword of the Spirit, and who are not ignorant of their devices. Devils do not grant favors to Christians due to their character
qualities. Satan does not admire Christians; he seeks to steal, kill, and destroy
100. Christiana: "And what toll wilt thou ask that we may pass in
101. Grim: "None."
102. Christiana: "Greatheart, he saith no price."
103. Greatheart: "Press him on to details."
104. Christiana: "If no price, then what will thou ask of us?"
105. Grim: "Only one small privilege."
106. Christiana: "Being?"
is an soul-snaring example of a Christian entertaining the notion of bargaining with
the devil for favors. This happens in real life and has been the
path to destruction for many a promising man (or woman) of God. When Satan
offered the Lord Jesus Christ all the power and glory of the kingdoms of the
world IF he would worship him, Jesus quoted the word of God in response. He did not bargain with Satan the way Christiana is shown to
do in Jim Pappas' Amplified Pilgrim's Progress.
true-to-the-Holy-Bible Pilgrim's Progress never portrayed any
Christian bargaining with Grim! And Greatheart had minimal
conversation with Grim. It was not long and drawn out the way Jim
Pappas portrayed Christians conversing with the devil. Satan's
followers seek to converse with the devil, not Christians.
Many Christians unwittingly bargain with Satan in exchange for
his favors. Usually
the "favor" sought is peace with people. This is not real peace that comes from
God. It is a counterfeit, broad-way-that-leads-to-destruction "peace."
woman was distressed because her children desire to read the Harry Potter books. So what? Do
give your children to the devil in exchange for a little compromised-induced "peace." This is exactly what Satan is plotting for: that parents
will give their children to him in some way or measure so they will have the
"privilege" they bargained for. What they do not realize is that they have
given Satan permission to work spiritual destruction in their children's lives in
exchange for the privilege of an unholy "peace."
107. Grim: "Let me visit with thy youngest alone. But for an
108. Christiana: "What? That thou mightest roast him as thou didst
109. Grim: "Nay, I ask only a visit. Thou, and thy warrior friend
may bind me and watch me from a distance if that wilt give thee peace of
mind. No harm will come to him, I promise."
110. Christiana: "By who wilt thou promise?"
111. Grim: "By the god that I serve. And may my eye lose its glowing
if I betray thee."
112. Christiana: "What is this he saith,
Greatheart? He be willing
113. Greatheart: "It is part of the creed of his master that faith need
not be kept with heretics."
Warning: Here is a statement that sends a
message not to the Christian, but to the follower of
Satan. Satan, of course, does not keep his word to God's people, but the
implication is that he will be true to his own followers. This is the
cruelest lie of all. He will not keep his promises to his own
followers whom he hates but pretends to be impressed with so he can use them to
the fullest advantage before he disposes of them.
Satan hates his own followers
because they are human beings and
thus made in the image of God. Satan merely uses his devoted workers for a season--in
order to further
his own agenda in this world. Yes, he rewards them in this
life for their service (money, sex, power, even fame) but when they make
mistakes in carrying out his plans, he punishes them with gleeful cruelty, which is only a
precursor to the torment he knows they will suffer with him in the lake which
burns with fire.
114. Christiana: "Then he may lie to me and believe that he hath not
lied at all."
115. Greatheart: "Aye."
116. Christiana: "But he asketh only one hour. May we not grant it
and save thee the danger of battle?"
117. Greatheart: "Look at his eye, madam."
118. Christiana: "What about it?"
119. Greatheart: "It doth cast a spell on all who look thereon."
120. Christiana: "Indeed?"
121. Greatheart: "Yea. In one hour a demon may infect thy child with
such disease of mind that a lifetime of repentance cannot undo."
122. Christiana: "Then to battle."
123. Greatheart: "Aye."
124. Christiana: "But the danger to thee..."
125. Greatheart: "Only keep thy hands lifted to God and there is no
See the reinforcing of the lie that Christiana's faith
is the key to victory over Grim rather than Greatheart's
faith? Even though Greatheart is being given the role of being visibly in
battle, Christiana is really his spiritual head and the key to his
success! (In witchcraft, it is the woman who is typically the highest
spiritual authority, not the man.) This is backwards and a perversion of God's plan of
spiritual authority as made clear in the Bible.
126. Christiana: "Then, to battle it is. Grim!"
127. Grim: "Dost thou grant me my hour?"
128. Christiana: "Nay!"
129. Grim: "Half an hour then?"
130. Christiana: "Nay! I will not give my child over to thee for ten
131. Grim: "You will give me nothing?"
132. Christiana: "Nothing but thy due. We will not parley
with you further. Thou shalt not so much as look upon my
babe. And as for thee, thou shalt be food for the fowls of the air."
133. Grim: "You are sure?"
134. Christiana: "More than sure. Children, raise thy voices in
supplication! You may proceed, Mr. Greatheart."
is interesting that Jim Pappas had Christiana tell Greatheart when it was time to
engage the enemy. This is a reinforcement of the sure-to-fail example of
placing the weaker vessel up front to engage
Satan while the spiritual head sits back and waits for orders.
(Greatheart goes into battle to fight Grim...)
(1) Barry Martin, The Time
(It is not surprising this article was removed from the
internet. You may read this documentation at
archive.org.) We credit this insight to http://www.ellenwhite.org/orion.htm.
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